Gary Holt Reveals Why Exodus Refuses to Be Just Another Legacy Thrash Band
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Exodus: Teh Unyielding Titans of Thrash Metal
Emerging as trailblazers in the thrash metal movement during the early 1980s, Exodus stands as one of the last bastions of authenticity in the genre today.
While bands like Megadeth have announced the end of their studio endeavors and Slayer has opted for sporadic performances, Exodus is on a relentless mission. they are not merely releasing new tracks; they are passionately crafting and touring, driven by an insatiable desire to create music that defines their very existence.
“I can’t stop doing this,” Holt shares from his serene California home, where wild turkeys roam his backyard. “I spend my days in the studio for hours, then return home for dinner, only to pick up my guitar and wriet more.This is my passion.”
Unwavering Dedication to Craft
This level of commitment has consistently set Exodus apart,even amidst lineup changes,personal struggles,and evolving musical landscapes. From the raw intensity of their debut album, 1985’s Bonded by Blood, to the intricate musicianship and diverse sound of their latest release, Goliath, Exodus has never settled for mediocrity.
“We can’t just write to meet a deadline,” asserts Lee Altus, the band’s second guitarist since 2005. “everyone gives their all. Sometimes we hit the mark, sometimes we don’t, but it’s never due to a lack of effort.”
Creative Retreats and collaborative Spirit
In late 2023, Holt and Altus began composing new material. By the summer and fall of 2025, they had rented a vacation home to collaborate with producer mark Lewis, reminiscent of their recording sessions for 2021’s Personal Non Grata.
“I had several songs ready before we started, and we completed the rest together,” Holt explains. “It’s akin to how bands like Queen and Deep Purple would seclude themselves to create. We enjoy each other’s company, and we call it Camp Crunch.”
While many bands might falter in such a relaxed setting,Exodus thrived,producing song after song,fueled by their collective energy and a shared commitment to musical evolution.
Exploring New Horizons
“I still love playing fast, but I also enjoy experimenting,” Holt notes. “We aim to create music that excites us. If every track is at full throttle, it all starts to blend together. You need moments of respite or unexpected twists.”
Goliath is a testament to this philosophy.The album is a sprawling collection that juxtaposes the ferocity of Bay Area thrash with slower, more atmospheric segments, showcasing Exodus at their most inspired. The new tracks highlight their prowess as songwriters and musicians, revealing a band that remains hungry and sharp.
Standout Tracks and Future Aspirations
With tracks like Hostis Humani Generis and 2 Minutes Hate, Exodus proves they can still deliver crushing intensity, while songs like 3111, The changing Me, and Violence Works demonstrate their forward-thinking approach to music.
As they continue to forge ahead, Exodus remains a powerful force in thrash metal, committed to their craft and unyielding in their pursuit of musical excellence.
Exodus: A Thrash Metal Legacy That Refuses to Fade
With a sound that blends dark textures, catchy hooks, and unique riffs, Exodus has crafted a career-defining album with Goliath.However, this is not the end of their journey. After completing the mixing and mastering of Goliath, the band found themselves with eight additional tracks ready for their next project.
“We refuse to fade into the background like legacy acts that don’t produce meaningful music anymore,” asserts Gary Holt. “we are an album-oriented band.We won’t shift to releasing just a couple of songs at a time and then tour on that. We’re here to stay, and I plan to keep creating until my last breath.”
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Choosing the Best for Goliath
Interviewer: You recorded 18 tracks during your sessions with Mark Lewis.Did you select the best for Goliath?
Gary holt: We picked the songs that formed the strongest album for now. The other tracks are equally good; they simply belong on the next record.
Lee Altus: The toughest part was deciding which songs to include in this album and which to reserve for later. We didn’t want to overload one album and leave the next feeling like a collection of leftovers.We had some healthy debates about it, which reinforced our belief in the strength of our material.
EXODUS – Blood In, Blood Out (OFFICIAL FULL ALBUM STREAM) – YouTube
Collaborative Songwriting Dynamics
Interviewer: Did you collaborate on the songwriting process?
Holt: Not exactly. lee worked on his parts at home and didn’t stay at the rental. I didn’t even hear his songs until they were finished. At one point, he asked, “You haven’t listened yet?” and I replied, “No, I’m focused on my own work. I trust you completely. Go for it!”
Altus: That trust is crucial. When I send something to Gary, I’m confident he won’t ask me to redo it or question its fit. Once it’s complete, it sounds like exodus. I was a fan of the band long before I joined, and we share many of the same influences.
Contrasting Approaches to Songwriting
Interviewer: Do you have different songwriting styles?
Altus: I often say Gary writes like he’s brewing moonshine, while I approach it like making fine wine. Gary churns out riffs at an unbelievable pace,which amazes me. I tend to reject many riffs before I find one that resonates with me. Sometimes I can be overly critical. Gary frequently enough asks, “When will you finish this song?” and I respond, “It’s not ready yet.” I always feel anxious, but eventually, I settle down and start writing again.
Holt: I believe Lee’s ideas take longer to mature, but he brings a fantastic melodic sense that adds depth to our music. For this album, The Changing Me was entirely his creation, and it’s outstanding. The same goes for 3111.
EXODUS – Tempo Of the Damned (OFFICIAL FULL ALBUM STREAM) – YouTube
Crafting Unique Sounds
Interviewer:3111 begins with a haunting intro before launching into full-throttle thrash. How did that come about?
Altus: I was jamming and created a slow, eerie section that reminded me of black Sabbath. I wasn’t sure where it would lead; it could have been its own song. As I continued to work on it, it evolved into something unique, almost guiding me in its direction.
Holt: I composed the opening riff, the verse riff, and Jack’s bassline back in 1999. At that time, we were in a chaotic state. I would crank up the volume in the rehearsal space and just jam. It was originally in drop A tuning, and we referred to it as the Creepy Song. I attempted to finish it for every album since [2004’s] tempo of the Damned, but I couldn’t detach it from that turbulent mindset, which left me stuck.
Breaking through Creative Blocks
Interviewer: what finally allowed you to complete it?
Holt: Perhaps I had distanced myself enough from my past. Maybe I stopped overanalyzing it. I set up my laptop in my trailer and found the right beat using [Toontrack] EZdrummer. After all those years, it just flowed – the chorus, harmonies, everything. I wrapped it up in one afternoon.
I sent the demo to Tom, and his immediate response was, “you did it!” that was an incredibly triumphant moment for me. It’s my favourite track on the album. It’s dark, haunting, and melancholic – both beautiful and sorrowful.
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Exodus: Pioneers of Thrash Metal Embrace Innovation
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Innovative Collaborations
The album features poignant string arrangements layered over fast, intricate guitar riffs. “While we were recording, I envisioned violins in the middle section,” Holt explains. “We initially brought in a local violinist to experiment, but it didn’t quite fit. So, we reached out to Katie jacoby, who has toured with The Who.I asked her for maximum sadness, and she delivered 18 tracks of strings that were perfect. It felt reminiscent of something composer Michael Kamen would have created, elevating the song beyond my expectations.”
Reflecting on Musical Growth
interviewer: When you released Bonded by Blood in 1985,could you have imagined hiring a violinist for The Who to play on your record?
Holt: I’m not sure. We did incorporate horns in our cover of the Rolling Stones’ Bitch for Force of Habit in 1992. Anything is possible.
Exploring Unique Sounds
Interviewer: Lee, you utilized an EBow on that track.
Altus: I’m a huge fan of the EBow. Many people mistake it for keyboards, but it’s purely guitar. I kept it clean with no overdrive, aiming for pure sustain. You can distort it, but I wanted a sweet, melodic sound that subtly creeps in the background.
EXODUS – 3111 (CENSORED VERSION) – YouTube
Melodic Depth Amidst Aggression
Throughout the album, a strong melodic foundation persists, even during the most intense moments. “Molotov cocktail riffs are easy to create; anyone can do that,” Holt states. “What truly matters is the music that lingers with you.”
“Molotov cocktail riffs are easy. Anybody can do that. The stuff that stays with you is what matters.”
Gary Holt
Altus: I’ve always been drawn to melody, regardless of how heavy the music is.that’s what captivates me. If it lacks melody,it simply doesn’t resonate.
musical Influences Beyond Metal
Interviewer: As pioneers of thrash, do you spend time listening to metal or keeping up with the scene?
Holt: Surprisingly, I mostly listen to Adele. If you ask me about my top five favorite musicians right now, they’re all Adele. She possesses one of the greatest voices ever, and her albums feature world-class piano performances. Much of it is just her and the piano, which I find incredibly appealing.
Altus: Good music transcends genres.I don’t constantly listen to metal either. One of my all-time favorite bands is ABBA. I grew up with Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Scorpions, and Iron Maiden. Those influences still resonate with me, but I enjoy a wide variety of music.
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Embracing Experimentation
Interviewer: Do you think your willingness to experiment with sound stems from your thankfulness for genres outside of metal?
Holt: Perhaps. I don’t consciously listen to Adele and think about incorporating pop into thrash. However, I’ve always enjoyed pop music. During the Exodus tour in the Eighties with Venom, I was listening to Madonna. Prince is my idol, and there’s likely more influence from him in Exodus than anyone realizes.
Take a listen to Violence Works. Before the riff kicks in, it might sound like we’ve gone off the deep end and created a disco track. To me, Promise You feels like a blend of Blackfoot and Discharge. There’s no specific formula; we simply follow the riff.
Driven by Passion and Reality
Interviewer:Goliath showcases a band that is hungry for success while striving for innovation. Was there a particular motivation behind this drive?
Holt: Our goal was to create music we genuinely enjoyed. We didn’t enter the studio with the mindset of trying to outdo Persona Non Grata. We focus on what excites us in the moment. If it doesn’t excite us, there’s no point in pursuing it.
Altus: Additionally, we’re not getting any younger. We’ve lost many heroes, and we understand that anything can happen at any time.That’s the reality we face. We give everything we have left to the music and put it into the record. There’s no reason not to.
Distinct Yet Complementary Styles
Interviewer: Your lead guitar styles are unique yet work well together.
Altus: I prefer a sweeter tone,so I incorporate more chorus and delay. Gary tends to favor a drier,more direct sound. He frequently enough jokes that he has three licks that he cycles through. But when he plays, he shreds.I focus more on melody, which is why our styles complement each other; we avoid sounding identical.
He’s the whammy-bar master.My background is more classical, so my solos tend to be more melodic than Gary’s. We used to joke and call him “Gary Bar” as of his exceptional whammy skills. He’s the Jimi Hendrix of metal.
Hostis Humani Generis – youtube
Exodus: The Thrash Metal Titans Continue to Evolve
Holt: I incorporated some intense whammy solos on tracks like 3111 and Hostis Humani Generis. When I noticed they were sequenced back-to-back, I decided to rework one to ensure they felt distinct from each other.
“While learning Slayer songs, I frequently enough thought, ‘That’s a very Exodus-like riff.’ We’ve always influenced one another.”
Gary Holt
Influences and Inspirations
Interviewer: do you think your time with Slayer has influenced Goliath?
Holt: I’ve likely absorbed some of that influence subconsciously. While learning Slayer’s music, I frequently recognized parts that felt distinctly Exodus. Our musical paths have intertwined naturally,and we embraced that without overthinking it.
The Future of Slayer
Interviewer: Can you envision Slayer recording together again?
Holt: No, I believe Slayer has concluded their recording and touring days. Though, everyone enjoys each other’s company during these occasional shows. The world is vast, and Slayer can appear in various locations over the years without repeating the same spot. ultimately, it’s up to [vocalist and bassist] Tom Araya and Kerry King to decide. I’m not involved in those decisions, but when they call, I’m there.
Creative Processes and Tools
Interviewer: Gary,you’ve mentioned using GarageBand for songwriting. Isn’t that a bit outdated?
Holt: I actually love GarageBand.It’s user-amiable, and I’m cozy with it, making it perfect for demos. I have my own plugins and often use a single EZ Drummer beat throughout an entire song without changing it. Sometimes, it surprises Tom because it can be a six-minute track at 230 bpm. I reassure him, “Don’t worry – this part is halftime.” I’m just too lazy to program the changes; I’ll let him know where they fit in.
Altus: I was somewhat of a dinosaur myself. Until this album, I wrote everything on a four-track. People kept telling me, “Forget the 21st century; you need to catch up to the 20th!” I loved my four-track, but I was constantly bouncing tracks, and by the time I sent the demos, the quality suffered. This time, I decided to go digital. I used Cakewalk and picked up the basics quickly. I thought,”If I had this earlier,I could have written another ten albums by now.”
Studio Setup and Gear
Interviewer: What was your amplifier setup like during the recording sessions?
Holt: We experimented with various amps before settling on my touring Marshall Jubilee. For rhythm tracks, it was similar to what I used on Persona Non Grata. I played a 1984 Yamaha SPG-3000,which has perfect intonation and is an incredible guitar.
For lead parts, I used my ESP Custom Shop Eclipse, and for whammy effects, I relied on my old Jackson Strat from the Toxic Waltz era. For the harmony sections in Goliath, I played my Brian May BMG Super equipped with Tri-Sonic pickups, which sounded fantastic.
exodus – Strike of the Beast [Live Wacken 2008 DVD] HD - YouTube
Challenges of Touring as Musicians Age
Interviewer: Exodus continues to tour extensively, which is essential since multi-platinum sales are a rarity these days. However, as musicians age, maintaining the same high-energy performances can be challenging.
Holt: Physically, playing this kind of music isn’t as easy as it once was.I suffered from severe whiplash after performing at the blue Ridge Rock Fest a few years ago; I thought I had a blown disc. An MRI revealed it looked like I had been in a car accident.Thankfully, no surgery was required. The issue arose as we hadn’t performed for six months, and then I went out there and played as I always do.
Exodus Live at Hellfest 2010 – YouTube
Motivation and Drive
Interviewer: What fuels that determination, and does it lead to bitterness?
Holt: I’m quite well-adjusted and genuinely happy in life. Though, as a band, exodus frequently enough thinks, “Why does Testament recieve this recognition while we don’t?” The more we feel that chip on our shoulder, the harder we push ourselves. It becomes a positive driving force, which is why we still deliver powerful performances on stage. It’s why we continue to headbang with the same intensity. It’s detrimental to me, but I can’t help it.
Exodus: Thrash Metal’s Enduring Legacy
EXODUS – 3111 (CENSORED VERSION) – YouTube
Crafting Unique Sounds
Holt: I utilized some intense whammy solos on tracks like 3111 and Hostis Humani Generis. When I realized they were placed consecutively in the album, I decided to rework one to ensure they felt distinct from each other.
“While learning Slayer songs, I often thought, ‘That’s a very Exodus-like riff.’ We’ve always influenced one another.”
Gary Holt
Influences and Inspirations
Interviewer: Do you think your experience with Slayer has influenced Goliath?
Holt: I’ve likely absorbed some of that influence subconsciously. While learning Slayer’s music, I frequently recognized parts that felt distinctly Exodus. Our musical paths have intertwined naturally, and we embraced that without overthinking it.
The Future of Slayer
Interviewer: Can you envision Slayer recording together again?
Holt: No, I believe Slayer has concluded their recording and touring days. However, everyone enjoys each other’s company during these occasional shows. The world is vast, and Slayer can appear in various locations over the years without repeating the same spot. Ultimately, it’s up to [vocalist and bassist] Tom Araya and Kerry king to decide. I’m not involved in those decisions,but when they call,I’m there.
Creative Processes and Tools
Interviewer: Gary, you’ve mentioned using GarageBand for songwriting. Isn’t that a bit outdated?
Holt: I actually love GarageBand.It’s user-friendly, and I’m comfortable with it, making it perfect for demos.I have my own plugins and often use a single EZ Drummer beat throughout an entire song without changing it.Sometimes, it surprises Tom because it can be a six-minute track at 230 bpm. I reassure him, “Don’t worry – this part is halftime.” I’m just too lazy to program the changes; I’ll let him know where they fit in.
Altus: I was somewhat of a dinosaur myself. Until this album, I wrote everything on a four-track. People kept telling me, “Forget the 21st century; you need to catch up to the 20th!” I loved my four-track, but I was constantly bouncing tracks, and by the time I sent the demos, the quality suffered.This time, I decided to go digital. I used Cakewalk and picked up the basics quickly. I thought,”If I had this earlier,I could have written another ten albums by now.”
Studio Setup and gear
Interviewer: What was your amplifier setup like during the recording sessions?
Holt: We experimented with various amps before settling on my touring Marshall Jubilee. For rhythm tracks, it was similar to what I used on Persona Non Grata. I played a 1984 Yamaha SPG-3000, which has perfect intonation and is an incredible guitar.
For lead parts,I used my ESP Custom Shop Eclipse,and for whammy effects,I relied on my old Jackson Strat from the Toxic Waltz era. For the harmony sections in Goliath, I played my Brian May BMG Super equipped with Tri-Sonic pickups, which sounded fantastic.
Exodus – Strike of the Beast [Live Wacken 2008 DVD] HD - YouTube
Challenges of Touring as Musicians Age
Interviewer: Exodus continues to tour extensively, which is essential since multi-platinum sales are a rarity these days. Though, as musicians age, maintaining the same high-energy performances can be challenging.
Holt: Physically,playing this kind of music isn’t as easy as it once was. I suffered from severe whiplash after performing at the Blue Ridge Rock Fest a few years ago; I thought I had a blown disc. An MRI revealed it looked like I had been in a car accident. Thankfully, no surgery was required. The issue arose because we hadn’t performed for six months,and then I went out there and played as I always do.
Motivation and Drive
Interviewer: What fuels that determination, and does it lead to bitterness?
Holt: I’m quite well-adjusted and genuinely happy in life. However, as a band, Exodus often thinks, “Why does Testament receive this recognition while we don’t?” The more we feel that chip on our shoulder, the harder we push ourselves. It becomes a positive driving force, which is why we still deliver powerful performances on stage. It’s why we continue to headbang with the same intensity. It’s detrimental to me, but I can’t help it.
Endorsements and Gear Preferences
Interviewer: You’re both endorsed by ESP.
Holt: They’re fantastic. They’ve crafted several Vs for me that I use regularly.They’re willing to build anything I envision. I send them ideas, like wanting a cop badge on the body of one guitar and bullet shell inlays that I’ll provide. Initially, they were unsure if they could import them into Japan, even the spent shells. But I insisted they had to be the ones I selected. I chose shells ranging from .50 caliber to .22, and they made it happen.
Altus: I started with jackson guitars but switched to ESPs in the 1990s and have been with them ever since.I own two ESPs and appreciate their versatility; they excel in metal but can adapt to other styles. Some of the ESP Eclipses I play surpass Gibson Les Pauls in quality.
James [Hetfield] lent me a couple of his ESP snakebytes to try, and they played wonderfully. He suggested I create my own model, but I thought, “How could I improve on this?” Someone else did it for me.
Modern Technology in Performance
Interviewer: Lee, you utilize a Quad Cortex modeler on stage.
Altus: I transitioned from Marshall amps to Diezel and then to my Mesa Boogie. Now, I rely on the Mesa tones from the Quad full-time.We compared it to real amps, and live, the difference is indistinguishable. The convenience is invaluable, especially when flying to South America and not knowing what backline will be available.
Holt: I still tour with my amps whenever possible, but I use the Quad as a preamp for fly dates, connecting it to the effects return of rental amps.
Looking Ahead
Interviewer: After 40 years, what keeps this exciting?
Altus: Those small moments in the studio when someone finally nails a part and everyone celebrates with high-fives. The fact that we still care about the music - that’s the real victory.
Holt: If we’re lucky, others will enjoy it too. But first and foremost, we have to love what we create. I still find joy in performing live, though I’d prefer not to injure my neck again.
Interviewer: with Slayer and Megadeth stepping back from recording, do you see Exodus as one of the surviving bands from the Big Four, alongside Metallica, Anthrax, and perhaps Testament?
holt: I’ve never focused on the Big Four. I’ve always felt we’re the torchbearers in this genre. People often ask if I’m upset about being left out, and my response is consistent: I know where I was when this genre was born, and I know where others weren’t. That’s enough for me. I don’t need anyone else to rewrite history because I was part of it.
Gary Holt Reveals Why Exodus Refuses to Be Just Another Legacy Thrash Band
Gary Holt Reveals Why Exodus Refuses to Be just Another Legacy Thrash Band
In the ever-evolving landscape of heavy metal, few bands have maintained their authenticity and drive like Exodus. As one of the pioneering forces in thrash metal, Exodus has consistently pushed the boundaries of their sound while refusing to settle into the role of a legacy act. Gary Holt, the band’s guitarist and primary songwriter, shares his thoughts on why exodus is committed to innovation and creativity in their music.
The Legacy of Exodus
Formed in 1980, Exodus has been a cornerstone of the thrash metal genre. With classic albums like Bonded by Blood and Fabulous Disaster, the band has influenced countless musicians and shaped the sound of heavy metal. However, unlike many of their contemporaries, Exodus is not content to rest on their laurels.
Refusing to Be a Legacy Act
gary Holt emphasizes that Exodus is determined to avoid the pitfalls of becoming a legacy act.”We will not go quietly into the night like some bands that don’t release new music or only play their hits,” he states. “We are an album band, and we will continue to create and tour as long as we can.”
Commitment to New Music
Exodus has consistently released new material, with their latest album, Goliath, showcasing their relentless creativity. The band recorded a total of 18 songs during the sessions for Goliath, with plans to release additional tracks in the future. This commitment to producing fresh content sets them apart from many of their peers.
Innovative Songwriting Techniques
Holt reveals that the songwriting process for Exodus is both collaborative and experimental. The band members often bring their unique influences into the mix, resulting in a diverse sound that resonates with fans. Holt explains, “We draw from various genres and experiences, which keeps our music exciting and relevant.”
using Technology to Enhance Creativity
In today’s digital age, technology plays a critically important role in music production. Holt mentions that he utilizes GarageBand for demos, stating, “It’s user-pleasant and allows me to quickly lay down ideas.” This approach enables the band to experiment with different sounds and arrangements before finalizing their tracks.
collaborative Efforts
Exodus thrives on collaboration.Holt and fellow guitarist Lee Altus frequently enough exchange ideas and riffs, ensuring that each song reflects their combined vision. “we trust each other’s instincts,” Altus adds. “When I send something to Gary, I know it will be well-received, and we can build on it together.”
Musical Influences and Inspirations
Exodus draws inspiration from a wide range of musical styles, which contributes to their unique sound. Holt cites influences from classic rock, punk, and even pop music. “I’ve always loved artists like Prince and Madonna,” he admits. “their ability to craft memorable melodies is something I admire and strive for in our music.”
Case Study: The Evolution of Goliath
The album Goliath serves as a prime example of Exodus’s innovative spirit. with tracks that blend aggressive thrash elements with melodic undertones, the album showcases the band’s ability to evolve while staying true to their roots. Songs like Hostis Humani Generis and 3111 highlight their commitment to pushing boundaries.
Track Title
Key Features
Musical Influences
hostis Humani Generis
Fast-paced riffs, intricate solos
Punk, Classic Rock
3111
Melodic elements, whammy solos
Pop, thrash
The Changing Me
Dynamic shifts, emotional depth
heavy Metal, Choice
Benefits of Staying Relevant
by refusing to become a legacy act, Exodus reaps numerous benefits:
Engaged Fanbase: Regularly releasing new music keeps fans excited and invested in the band’s journey.
Creative Growth: Continuously writing and recording allows the band to explore new musical territories and refine their sound.
Industry Recognition: Staying active in the music scene helps maintain their status as influential figures in thrash metal.
Practical Tips for Aspiring Musicians
For musicians looking to carve their own path in the industry, Holt offers some practical advice:
Stay True to Your Sound: Don’t compromise your artistic vision for commercial success.
Embrace Collaboration: Work with other musicians to expand your creative horizons.
Utilize Technology: Leverage digital tools to enhance your songwriting and production processes.
First-Hand Experience: The thrill of Live Performances
Holt shares that the energy of live performances is a significant motivator for him and the band. “There’s nothing like the adrenaline rush of playing in front of a crowd,” he says. “It’s a reminder of why we do this.”
Exodus Live at Hellfest 2010 – YouTube
As Exodus continues to tour and create, they remain a vital force in the thrash metal scene, proving that innovation and passion can coexist with a rich legacy. Their journey serves as an inspiration for both fans and aspiring musicians alike.
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